Android is a pretty good example of that 
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Nothing you said related to software licensing is correct.
Please read up on the terms, licenses and restrictions involved.
(Iām not going to elaborate on this here, lets not hijack the thread)
@Joal_ban_Kluane thank you for wording what I was also thinking.
Iāve seen the work that the MOD team has done from relatively close-up the past ~2 years and am fully aware to the sacrifices they are going through to make our shared dream a reality.
While of course a risk Iām also interested in more information about the funding pool.
I very much believe in exactly the kind of products and ecosystem that MOD is committed to developing and want to be a part of this however I can.
To anyone interested in developing the open source tools we use to run our MOD systems: join us on github and irc
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I am not sure, I really understand the impact from different situation and it is a hard time, but still it make me sad. I am in tier 3. I do not want refund but I would like to get the device as I support the campaign.
Obviously as a normal user but not an big investor I cannot take more money to invest in. May be someone with big income who do not mind. I can wait for the device, but please just not given up the orginal backers who have been patient for that long.
Wish you guys all the best.
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Maybe we just need a very wealthy music star to take an interest in MODā¦
Has anyone a good phone number in their address book ?
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MODonna
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Hi Gianfranco.
Really sad indeed to hear about those difficult times for your company. But let me tell you that what you have created is really unique and deserves to be supported all the way by a community of enthusiast users who came to understand the immense potential of this opensource platform. Iām one of them. I own a ModDuoX and I love it although it hasnāt yet reached the promise I hoped for. But letās keep that aside for the moment.
I hear that with the reboot you intend to focus on the DWARF because it is a more mature design and I understand it.
I just hope ModDuoX will also get new software updates although you will not produce the hardware anymore.
To help ModDevices, Iām sure many like me would be happy to pay for a kind of crisis subscription fee for software update on the ModDuoX until things are cleared. Something like 100ā¬ per year would be well accepted I believe and could be a way to bridge your financial difficulties.
Let me know your thoughts.
Best,
Luc.
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@gianfranco @jon you had both been kind enough to email me directly at different points when I had questions and I canāt thank you enough for that and for you both plus the larger team for all this amazing work.
I have sympathy for all parties involved, itās never easy to have legal/financial issues with your company, your baby as it were. It also is heart-wrenching for those that have not received their units. In the past, I participated in a product that I never did receive via Kickstarter and can understand.
For those that have received and do love their Dwarf:
I was encouraged to see the web editor was working today and the Dwarf itself for me remains fully functional. I do not consider it an obsolete product and have hope for either the reboot to be successful or the community to find solutions if needed.
Later today, I will contribute modestly within my means to the fundraising. I believe in the project/platform and am curious to see what can happen.
For those on the fence with investing, I reconcile it this way - maybe if me and others contribute this time, other people can get their units and the people working on it can breathe easier.
Itās been unprecedented times these last few years, I wish everyone luck and a happy resolution in your individual situations.
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I too decided to wait for my MOD Dwarf because at the time I had other equipment I could use, but due to being unable to work during the Lockdown, I had to sell much of my gear to pay the bills, and now I could really do with my promised (even as late as last month) unit or a refund.
Sadly, Iāll not be ādonatingā any more money because I canāt afford to.
So thanks
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Actually, I still have my Mod Duo from the beginning of MOD Devices. Itās still well and kicking after 6 years. So for those who already have their Dwarf, this thing is going to be with you for many more years.
Whatever happens to MOD, I am confident that we, the community, will find a way to make the software part of it continuing serving our needs.
That is actually why I chose MOD at the beginning. It being Open Source means that whatever happens, we are not completely tied to the life of a particular company.
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Both Roger Linn ( Linnstrument/MPC etc.) and Edward Haken (Haken Audio) are both interested in open source, MIDi, MPE and standalone devices who can do this. Edward Haken was very interested in the MDX when I mentioned it in a thread. āLooks like a H9 Max on steroidsā he stated. Too bad it was sold out when he tried to order. Maybe itās a long shot, but thereās nothing to loose?
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This is indeed sad, but somewhat expected news. These are times of great change and crisis in so many parts of society and the world. We are only seeing the beginning. Let us be happy music has found us, and that we will allways be rockin and sharing peace and hope even with one string left on the guitar. our hands to clap, chest to beat and our voice to Howl 
. My support goes to the MOD TEAM for working, keeping this great idea and vision alive! I enjoy every day reading this forum, and learn a lot about Midi and CV.
It is true these devices ( I have the DUO & MDX and patient Tier 3 Backer) are not just plug and play, but somehow great technology invites you to go beyond the āBlack Boxā level of understanding and into the deeper levels of programming and hardware. This is not my area of skill, but I am constantly inspired to learn. As a Tier 3 backer I can understand the frustration of living through hope and disappointment. However I encourage you to be proud of having the guts to believe in an idea and a vision which perhaps is somewhat ācounter commercialā in todays world of business, where ideas and patents are, too often, either bought or discarded. The āplatformā, ānetworkā, ācommunityā, ātechnologyā and āvisionsā which has been created will keep on evolving, however in a perhaps more decentralized form. Open source programming will prevail, grow and evolve! Just wish I could be a part of contributing in that as more than just a musician with a mouse scrolling thorugh a UI. That would make me feel even more optimistic 
Lots of love to the MOD team and the community as a whole! Lets support each other and be strong together!!
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Iām sorry to hear all of this and I just want to say, as a tier 3 backer, no hard feelings if it turns out you canāt deliver (although I still reaaally hope you do). Itās a very difficult position you found yourself in.
Round about the time of the initial Kickstarter campaign I toyed with the idea of also developing some electronic audio hardware and putting it on Kickstarter. I did some back of the envelope calculations and used the dwarf campaign as a model to estimate prices people are willing to pay and sales numbers. I concluded it would be too tight, even if no global catastrophes happened. I just hope all the best for the future of mod devices.
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The web interface is just between your PC and the Dwarf, so it should not be impacted by the service outage. The parts that are currently cloud-based and unavailable at the moment are the plugin store (if you donāt already have it on your Dwarf, you wonāt be able to download/install it until the store is back up), and the pedalboard sharing site. As of this post, the wiki is still functional as well. Cheers!
As a co-founder, investor and a long-time member of the engineering team, my two cents:
Iāve read every message in this thread before posting to make sure I hear all opinions and feelings (lots of feelings going on!). This is indeed a very sad outcome, regardless of a potential second act. Itās not only the money invested but a lot of sweat and time. We can still make a living but weāll never make the time back.
One thing in particular that Iām proud of is the community that we built around this project. Youāve stick with us during good times and definitely during bad times. I donāt expect any different now. But itās very rewarding to see this thread in this form, so thanks for the kind words.
I feel for all of you that might end up empty handed, I really do. In the end, it is what it is. Mistakes were made as itās always the case. Everything in life carries some risk. Companies go bankrupt all the time and itās why the system works, I think. Old must make way for the new. Crowdfunding is one of the most risky things there is out there. Every startup is dead on arrival, until you prove otherwise. I wish they were more upfront about it.
The destination is not the reward, the journey is the reward. You guys, are the journey.
Still crossing my fingers there will be a second actā¦
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This a concern of mine.
Iām no coder but perhaps I can help with marketing, UX review etc.
Just as Iām getting a grasp of a good workflow to set up pedalboards, this happens.
Having a COMPLETELY open source āmirrorā service to be a safety net until things clear up might be the only chance to survival: to ensure CONTINUITY.
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To all it might concern @ MOD Devices
There is not too much wrong with the product.
I still believe in it, in its future, its promise, its potential.
If you want to save this complete ecosystem, including the Community youāve built, youāve got to FOCUS.
Product focus? perhaps
Iām talking PEOPLE FOCUS
EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT
FOCUS on the people:
Customers: USER JOURNEY - Under promise, over deliver; try to save the solus still on the fence and work on damage control
Employees: find a way to to keep them close and they have the unwritten knowledge and experienxce
Community: as you might be surprised what you can source here if you approach them well.
You will still face great difficulties onboarding guitarists, as MOST of them will find it too hard to set up some good tones right away. I like fiddling and even I needed quite some time to set up something that was sounding well AND reliable. Gain complexity, akward tones, ā¦ Whereās the step by step, the basic primer that will work for everybody to build upon? the āin device tutorialā?
If you can load pedal board from a webpage, you can also make a JOURNEY on a webpage, having users gradually go through everything without going overwhelmed.
The fact that you guys pull off shit that is remarkeable in a technical fashion, proves you are great engineers. Yet these things that seem obvious to me never seemed to be on the table or at least feasable.
Speak direct language.
We read a lot of facts and promises but seldom REAL QUESTIONS.
Communition goes both ways.
It sometimes felt only 2, sometimes 3 guys @ MOD were able to communicate back.
ANSWER THIS QUESTIONS QUICK BEFORE YOU LOSE QUASI EVERYBODY HERE:
1: What is your solution to the undelivered DWARFās
2: What is the solution for people being able to USE their devices and access the BETA plugins etc (in other words; how do owners get the most mileage out of their units?
For me personally?
Although the Dwarf is powerful, my documented User Journey shows implictely and explicitely what to address for (starting) DWARF users (LievenDVās Dwarf journal
I FEEL:
- SAD: because I sympathize with MOD
- HOPEFUL for a reboot
- ANGRY: for my investment of time and money is in danger
- INSECURE: Should I continue investing time and effort in my device or is it a lost cause anyway?
I didnāt sell my other gear of course but the DWARF was becoming the centerpiece of all my musical projects (heavy metal, acoustic solo and I was about to learn piano) - IRRITATED that the stuff addresses by many people here was being addressed over and over again and MOD often seemed to busy either apologizing or ābeing engineersā and not communicators, crisis managers and marketeers
I guess most people will feel similar and you will need to get to the core of the emotions of these people
LESS āengineeringā
MORE Human
Humans make mistakes but learned that being WILLING is alsway the best option, as being READY is often a destination that keeps getting away from you.
Show WILLINGNESS, OPENNESS but donāt just flood everybody with facts. That only bores and annoys people.
You will have to cut indeed.
Lose weight.
make sacrifices
I hope you cut off the right stuff and whatās left is the RIGHT STUFF John Glenn style.
WHAT CAN I OFFER?
*** Review & consultancy of marketing material and communications**
*** Some art creation and photoshopping**
*** Continued journal of my user journey**
*** my true forte is brainstorming. The concepts. (Iām not a tester AT ALL for instance)**
*** Propagating the good word in this Community :D**
WHAT DO I WANT IN RETURN?
Something to believe in.
I canāt promise endless hours of pro bono work; I have to be realistic. but I do a lot for a good trade. Gear you have laying around?. No value in your bookkeeping? it might to me. might book my services for many hours 
I donāt know wht to think now.
I have gigs lined up from which I planned to learn but all of a sudden I donāt feel like that.
What will MOD do to be PRO-ACTIVE in this matter?
now go, go and
MAKE CHOICES
MANAGE EXPECTATIONS (and not just by blurting facts and excuses)
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Yep.
Survival of the MOD team under a new flag or whatever, production of new units is one thing. I really hope it will work somehow, but there is not a lot that regular joe without a oversized wallet can do on this topic.
Another thing is securing functionality of the already existing devices, valuable for their owners.
We might need an escape hatch, probably similar to what Rebble has done for Pebble, something more community driven.
And it would be much easier with server-side tools provided by MOD.
But some things can be done by a user on his own.
At least, it makes sense to backup all the existing repos and available wiki documentation just for the worst case scenario. Preserve firmware files you have downloaded. Backup your MOD device filesystem to keep your already downloaded plugins. Et cetera.
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well, not too much badā¦ I mean, I love my Dwarf but, being honest, itās far, really far from perfect in its actual state. Itās kinda uncomfortable if youāre a guitar player to create patches, the connection to the pc isnāt really stable and you canāt create even simple pedalboards directly on the device, it has some noise issues, there is a real lack of some plugins in the guitar department and a huge amount of not really good sounding ones or really repetitiveā¦ I mean, obviously itās a cool and good device and with some time, resources and updates it would have grown to be truly competitive, but letās be honest! it is lacking in some departments.
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true, noise and hard to use pugins are a big issue still.
Iām still disappointed that there never was a decent and deceisive campaign to tackle the noise issues and a better way to hold the hands of users that could benefit of interactive tutorials and some REAL solid vanilla patches for acoustic, clean, mild drive, crunchy and metal.
You have to be an optimist to āfeelā the opportunity where others get frustrated in their experience.
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