So, I’ve been using the Dwarf for a little over a month now, and I am still having cognitive failure using the knobs when selecting an item from a list. Every time I use a knob to select a preset, or switch pedalboards, I have to stop and try to remember which direction of the knob scrolls the list in the desired direction. For some reason, I always get it backward. Is it just me? My brain says that rotating the knob to the left should go to the next lowest item in the list and rotating right should select the next highest item in the list. Perhaps my cultural context is just reversed from the developers’?
I have the Dwarf on the floor, so no chance to use the knobs cause I hate bending down that far.
Point in case: we need control chain devices to be able to switch pedalboards!
This thread seems to have got 3 complete distinct directions pretty far looool
Anyway, on the topic of the thread: @malfunction54 I can (and will) map that on our requests, anyway, generally I feel that when you use a knob to scroll a list, turning it to the right goes down and to the left goes up. This doesn’t happen only in the MOD devices, but generally when something like this is available, I believe. Just like you write from the left to the right and from the top to the bottom in western cultures.
I code a bit, but I don’t consider my self a developer, even less in the MOD team and I have this perception. I believe that creating a setting to change something so simple like this would clutter the device with settings.
Does any other user feel the same as @malfunction54? Perhaps I’m the one with the perception upside down here
I should clarify that this isn’t a change request, I was just curious as to the perception of the “natural” direction. Since I didn’t see this mentioned anywhere in the forum, I was wondering if it was merely my own personal bias
I think it’s pretty standard for clockwise rotation to translate to scrolling right or down. Think about the old iPods with the scroll wheel. That’s how they worked
Sorry, @malfunction54, I’ve gotta go with @jon on this one.
that’s a good point. I wonder if it has to to with the fact that the knobs are to the right of the screen, I’m thinking “to the left” is “lower” and “to the right” is “higher”. I just went to all the devices in my house that have an LCD and a knob:
- CPAP machine: clockwise=Up
- Dwarf: clockwise=Up
- Oven: there is no visible list, the value just changes
So, you’e correct that it’s more common. I’m not sure why it hit me different on the Dwarf than on other devices.
At any rate, discussing it will hopefully get it into my head that it isn’t weird
Which is a bit strange, because all parameter controls seem to go the other way around, where clockwise is higher value. So what should make sense while scrolling a list seems like a total mindf**k after an hour of getting the sound perfect by moving things clockwise/up, counter/down. This totally happens to me, but I don’t know if it’s worth an option to change it.
Clockwise is always a higher value. Moving to the right is increasing a value and so is moving down a list.
The values in a list can be seen like this:
List items are numbered from top to bottom. Turning the knob clockwise scrolls down the list increasing in value
@malfunction54 I think this is a very interesting question and maybe it points to a left brain/right brain issue or maybe even a left hand right hand issue. I am right handed and tend to view the knobs from that perspective. For instance, when you turn a knob clockwise, the right side of the knob goes down. When you turn it counter-clockwise, it goes up. I would be interested to know if you are right handed or left handed. Maybe it doesn’t have any impact.
I am right handed
There goes that theory