Ipad as a Midi Controler?

… I was also able to route MIDI through the Duo to control my Looperlative by connecting the newly appeared midi input from my phone to the MIDI output in each pedalboard. (I’d love to have the option to add a connection like that to a patches as a batch operation, so I don’t have to open all 60+ pedalboards that I’ve programmed and add the connection to them :slight_smile: )

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I intend to use “Camelot”, it is an application that allows me various things, such as the management of the midi and therefore: audio sequences, change of score and change of sounds of the “MOD DWARF”. It is not clear to me how and what I should / can use between iPad and Dwarf. What do you recommend? Thanks

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Do you mean to connect both?

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I use the MD-BT01 as MIDI Interface for Pad to a MIDI-Device. (in my case a Kemper -Profiler) . The MIDI out has to provide the power-supply. As far I’ve seen at the above Video it is realized in the MOD Device (LED is on).
Therefore, I do not expect any problems with the Dwarf, which I am already eagerly awaiting.
For sending MDI information I use a setlist-programm. (Songbook+)
No further action neccessary by choosing a song in setlist.
Mainly I use commands to change banks and presets, but it’s also possibe change parameters of effects. (as fas the device has this MIDI-Implication)

[MD-BT01 - Overview - Accessories - Synthesizers & Music Production Tools - Products - Yamaha - United States]

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Hey there,

So I’ve messed a bit with wireless midi on the dwarf and found some stuff.

So first, you’ll want to make sure you have TRS midi, otherwise you’ll need an adaptor from to DIN to TRS.

I used the CME widi jack, which works well, and has multiple different midi cable adaptors (din5, 3.5trs, 6.3trs, din6), and the device has a switch to select either midi standard A or standard B. It also has a USB-c port for power in case the device does not supply power on the midi out.

I mention powered midi ports because the dwarf itself does not supply power from the midi out port.

At least it doesn’t on mine.

Wireless midi is awesome, and I do like it quite a bit, but it’s not ready for prime time in my set up because I have to continually connect everything wirelessly every single time I boot everything up.

That’s probably more of CME’s issue than anything else, but I’ve returned to using cables for the time being.

I just got a WIDI Jack for my personal use on the MOD Dwarf and can confirm everything that you mentioned. Honestly, I got a bit disappointed with the fact that the WIDI Jack comes with completely no cables and the USB port is just power (if it was capable to receive USB MIDI you could connect directly the port A of the Dwarf and have your MIDI managed from there as well as the power, like this either you use it just to power the WIDI jack or you need to plug the WIDI jack to another source of power).
The little box (WIDI Jack) in my opinion is not so inexpensive to not come along with a couple of cables. Especially when they use 2.5mm TRS (what is common just on headphones that you can plug the cable).
Let’s see if we can join enough enthusiasm and it’s not hard to implement Bluetooth MIDI directly on a Bluetooth dongle connected on the Dwarf :slight_smile:

Disclaimer: I wrote this post as a MOD user and not as a MOD team member :slight_smile: No promises here besides my “personal needs/feature requests” :wink:
As I also know a little bit about how to code and have experience coding Bluetooth MIDI devices I will gladly offer some of my free time to research and check if this is easy to implement.

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Oh man, don’t get me started in the cable issue lol and of course they decided to use 2.5mm jacks, so you kinda have to buy their cables.

The widijack is great in a small set up with maybe one or two pieces of gear, but if you are doing more than that it gets frustrating.

I was particularly frustrated with needing 2 apps to pair and connect everything up.

I had purchased a pair from thomann and they refunded my order due to an extreme wait for one set of cables. However they still shipped my order without charging me.

When I saw the refund hit, I ordered a pair on Amazon and got those in.

I ended up with 4 widijacks in my set up and it became a routing nightmare.

Some of my gear provides power, some don’t.

Some of my gear only has midi in, and no power. So either way I still wound up with cables providing power to my “wireless” solution. Since I was gonna have to deal with wires, I just went back to my standard wired midi set up, it’s just a simpler solution in my case.

The concept is good if you want to use a mobile bluetooth device in your set up to send midi, but it wasn’t a great experience trying to get my tracker to control everything.

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That’s exactly why I will try my best to not do it haha. Probably I will do it for the DIN ones just to have it “in stock”, but I will try to avoid it for the others.

I agree. It took me a while to understand how to set it up. Even after seeing the device receiving messages, but not seeing it outputing.

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I used the midi port B to connect the DWARF with the iPad, and through the Camelot scenes the program changes change without having to touch the Dwarf, which is very convenient. The next step will be to change the control changes which I have no idea how to do.

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I’m curious to watch some sort of video of you explaining and demo this setup :wink:

In this case Camelot manages the audio tracks, the change of sounds through “program change” and also the delay clock is synchronized, I can also synchronize the score.

The Camelot company: Camelot | Audio Modeling

I simply connected the iPad with DWARF via the MIDI B port (cable supplied by MOD). I was able to use the “program changes” by intuition. But I still don’t know how to use “control changes”. It would be interesting to be able to “map” DWARF and communicate to Camelot. To explain myself better with Camelot it is already possible to choose between a list of keyboards and multi-effects, you choose the brand and model and just connect them together. Not being on the Camelot MOD list, I am personally struggling a bit.

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This looks cool! Thanks for sharing the video, I got it way better now.
Allow me a suggestion, if instead of changing the pedalboard you have both sounds on the same pedalboard and make the Camelot app change the snapshot (instead of the pedalboard) you will avoid to have the audio break of the pedalboard loading.

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Tell me how to do it. The pedals are numbered according to the alphabetical order (which I discovered by chance by myself) I’m asking you how do you manage the control changes, if you explain to me how to do it would be great. Possibly with a practical example, a video.

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Basically, you are using program change messages (from the iPad) to change your pedalboard. You must have set on the settings of the MOD Dwarf witch Program Change message it should listen to. You can do the same for Snapshots. And instead of having “your song sounds” in two pedalboards, you save them in two snapshots.
Check this link to learn a little bit more.

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I’m probably using the wrong USB port. I think the settings are right but it doesn’t go as it should. I buy a usb-usb cable to connect to port A of the DWARF. Thank you for answering.

Hmm I would say that if the Dwarf gets one program change message (and I can see that it does by the video) there’s no problem with the cable.
The problem should be on the program change message that your iPad sends is configured on the Dwarf to change the pedalboard and not the snapshot.
Note that if you set it to change the snapshot you should have multiple snapshots saved on your pedalboard, if not it won’t work.

It’s an idea I already talked about elsewhere, but what about simply adding a new page to the Mod-UI where the user could set a custom list of sliders/buttons for each pedalboard? That would make controlling the device from any phone/tablet so much easier, via wifi/bluetooth or any other way.

A bit like what we already have when we edit a particular plugin, but at the level of the whole pedalboard (with different backgroud colors per plugin maybe ?)

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Indeed you (and I guess more users) suggested this. I’m saving it again on requests.
The problem is not really that the suggestion is not great. Is more the devs time is kind of scarce nowadays :sweat_smile:

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I wish I had more free time to look at it myself. Maybe it’s something that could benefit from a little help from the community :slight_smile:

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Let’s see who reads this and takes the bite :wink:

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