To be honest Falk I don’t use it much as I can’t get it to run that well with the midi and the audio . And the lack of UI and running the VST just isn’t worth the hassle at present.
I mentioned a while ago about porting the modules separately and seeing if the forum members could do that for you if a wiki was produced so we had a how to do it log. We could do the leg work for you as there a quite a few modules but obviously other things were going on.
The offer is still there I’m sure though.
Even if we just port the mutable instruments stuff as I think that’s what got people interested in beebo.
For 22.09 (and already available to try in the github actions latest builds) Cardinal will have a native audio standalone application, so you dont need JACK or a DAW, this standalone will connect to whatever is the default audio device similar to how web browsers and generic applications do.
That will make this easier to test. Let me verify now if this approach even works…
For the module porting, yeah it does work, main issue is having non-crappy GUIs plus dealing with the amount of IO these modules provide - they tend to have a lot of CV ports, which is hard to map properly to a modgui.
Yeah totally agree it’s a minefield sometimes with way too many wires.
Can we not keep the ui 's from cardinal?
Thanks for testing too
I can only see 22.07 my end
Ok, so I’m just going to outline what I would like as my ideal device… I really just want a nice tough case that is stage ready with good audio hardware, which I could put an embedded board into, raspberry pi or whatever, there’s enough carrier board formats out there which could work. Mod software (or equivalent) would ideally be converted to be a yocto layer and then it would be relatively easy to update with approved cpu modules. The company could make money off selling a pre-built fully running device or selling the DIY version.
However another option I would be interested in is to have a commercial unit that ships with commercial software, but has a nice easy way to flash an open source OS, similar to linksys and their routers which support openwrt/dd-wrt.
Finally though I’d probably even purchase any commercial proprietary unit if the company just valued Linux users enough to support controlling/uploading from Linux or had enough sense to make the device accessible/usable via a web browser 
And who is going to write this software? It would then not be compatible with any current MOD offerings either? or is compatibility an additional requirement?
How realistic do you think is it that MOD writes a completely new software from scratch on short notice?
[edit: I misread your comment as “proprietary”, the GPL code is already commercial. Is that what you meant? Proprietary?]
The OS wouldn’t have to be completely re-written to be commercial… Red Hat is a commercial fork of an open source software, and the MOD OS is essentially MOD’s own fork of Linux—no reason that can’t become commercial as it gets more specialized and differentiated, without sacrificing the ability to support the existing plugins and devices.
there is a difference between proprietary and commercial.
opensource can always be commercial if one so chooses, but it can’t be proprietary as that is literally the opposite of open.
going proprietary makes investors happy in the sense that no one can then copy and reuse the code, it is not available in the first place.
for the state where MOD is now, it is too late go to proprietary. there are many GPL-licensed libraries that the core system and plugins use that are not feasible or even possible to turn into proprietary software.
coding everything from scratch as to allow proprietary use does not make any sense at this point.
plus as others have said, it basically alienates half the community and developers who have contributed a lot of things (from plugins, to guis, to other code) so far.
I am on the same side as well, as I have no interest on working/developing towards proprietary systems.
for a proprietary approach, MOD would be completely on its own without the community being able to help.
Hey dreamer, I’m essentially just talking about maybe giving mod some proprietary features to please investors, like maybe the AI side project recently mentioned could be proprietary and built in, not a plugin, or maybe a plugin but expensive. I mean maybe that’s the answer, include expensive closed source plugins as ‘free’ with the device. I do know that mod has bundled plugins in the past, but I’m suggesting that there just needs to be essentially something which would make it difficult for someone to take Mod software and just put everything on to a raspberry pi. That way you can stop investors asking “why would anyone buy this when they can just put it on a pi”. There could then be a ‘purists build’ with only free software.
This approach was not at all clear from your post, though 
And indeed adding such “premium” features could be done by means of plugins. That are then also made available for sale to other platforms. (which could add extra income streams and would actually make such platforms not competitors, but additional targets)
However someone will still need to develop and design such plugins. Which implies development time and money. Both of which are not realistic in the short term.
MOD is an extremely powerful platform, that goes without doubts. Where it went wrong, IMHO, is the lack of focus and marketing/segment directions. What is not clear is: who are the devices intended target?
Take the Duo or Dwarf for example. They look like and at least partially were marketed as a guitar device (floor based, have footswitches…) and that’s why I got in. Fact is, that after a while I noticed some difficulties in using it as I wanted.
Guitarists are a bit of conservative musicians, and most of them are not techies. I’d bet my wallet that the majority of them just want from a floor device that it 1) sounds good 2) can substitute all the pedals he has 3) allows you to replicate a classic guitar tone in zero seconds.
While objectives 1) and 2) are reached, we are far from getting to 3). The opinion I made on the Duo after years of owning is that it makes possible to realize incredibly difficult things, but it makes incredibly difficult to realize simple things.
You need a connected PC for all editing (I tried Bluetooth, too slow), you need convoluted patching to achieve rather basic things, such as turning on 2 effects at a time (using CV plugins or other workarounds).
Things got better with each firmware update, that must be said. Continuous support and software upgrades by the team are VERY appreciated. Thing is they start to roll out too late in the show. Snapshot, for example, solved much of the UX issues I had, but we’re still far from ideal.
EVery time I have a fellow player see the Duo and he asks to me how it works and how he can make a tone, after 5 minutes and after hearing he needs a PC and pull virtual cables around, the answer is: “no way, too complex”.
One thing that MOD missed and was and IS crucial to me, is a good marketplace of selected and curated pedalboards to install. As a guitar player, and I bet I’m not the only one, the killer asset would be a shop where I can instantly get the basic tone I want and then start to fiddle with it. Want a Blackmore Deep Purple tone? Click and get. A Tom Morello RATM tone? Click and get.
ATM the store is (was) a mish mash of everything with very little value. Being public it has been used by basically everyone to upload whatever pedalboard they created, including half created ones, and even for bug reporting! This is NOT the way to handle an official online store for the devices. It’s insane. The official store should have been separated by the “community” store. At most, a promotion of the best user submitted pedalboards could have been promoted to a sort of “featured user pedalboards” store after internal staff validation.
The other thing that is sorely missing is an app or similar way to download, create and edit pedalboards, optimized for use on phones. Phones are deviced we always have with us, even on stage. The regular Web GUI is fine and dandy on a big screen with a mouse, but useless on small touch devices. On top of that is too slow on bluetooth. That was a huge mistake IMHO. A dedicated, optimized app for mobile that could make you at leadt browse and installed official or premium pedalboards from the store with ease would have been a great selling point.
Hi,
I’m sorry to hear that @gianfranco , from a fellow Italian I know how difficult it is to create a profitable company in Italy.
My considerations:
And that’s something I’ve yet to achieve. I’m pretty much a “traditionalist” in that regard - looking for that BB King “Live at the Regal” or EC “Crossroads” sound t the click of a footswitch.
Well, getting to dial exactly a pure analog classic tone with modern digital equipment will always leave something to be desired, I’m afraid.
But I’m sure that with the right combination of plugins in Mod you can get pretty close.
The problem is trying all and every combination of amp, preamp, tube, cab, ir, reverb… and we get back to the point of my post.
I’ll use this as a mantra
And market the same thing as eval board, test kit, and barebone set for building a rack-mounting unit.
MOD Devices GmbH is/was based in Berlin, Germany. This is where the majority of the (old) team still resides afaict.